Having uninstalled version 2 a little too soon, can someone tell me if disabling popups on a global basis will allow legitimate popup windows to open or disable all windows no matter what as v1 does?
At this time I use proxomitron with IE or Mozilla which blocks true popups but still allows those that are opened by clicking on a link!
For more on what I mean, please refer to this thread (April last year) "Unsolicitated popups vs allowing them after clicking something":
http://www.outpostfirewall.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3634
Thank you.
minoka,
I can only partially answer your question re: "legitimate popups" in this way. For those sites which have popups that are necessary for retrieving information or navigation, I simply add them to the "Active Control/Properties/Web Pages" section and enable popups for them individually. This overrides the global restriction. I realize that you probably visit many different websites than I do, but in my own experience, I have found very few "legitimate popups" on the sites that I frequent. :D
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My experience of it, is that it blocks "script that looks like a popup".
So (unlike "window killers") it does NOT stop "target=_blank" generation of new browser windows, but IS weak against some other types of popup that are not javascript based - and it seems possible to fool it by obfuscated code - eg. writing the script in using more script.
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I believe proxomitron filter authors DID find a way to postprocess such things, by rewriting a redirect via a script on the disk, which could then be flipped between allow/disallow on the fly.
The way outpost does it, is NOT amenable to "on the fly" decision making.
Basically, the option only allows you to specify blocking all popups or letting all popups through - there has been no attempt at 'intelligent filtering'.
Personally, I don't see why a third option (Block unrequested)couldn't be implemented. A 'legitimate' popup requires some sort of active acceptance by the user (for example, by left-clicking a button) - anything that does not meet this criteria can be blocked. Coding this should be a simple task.
The problem with 'allowing all or nothing' is that there are *many* websites that both use solicited popups as part of their normal functionality and unsolicted popups as part of their advertising. Putting those sites in the 'allowed' category means accepting their unsolicited popups...
Hello Pokinpo.
Do you mean that v2 behaves like v1 as far as popups are concerned?
Thank you Pilgrim, Pokinpo and PrivateEye!
Just checked the old thread...
I understand your frustration, but unfortnately, I agree that it will be rather difficult to effectively classify functions that trigger non-click popups. For example, a simple mouseover function can be legitimately use to dynamically display additional content or used to trigger unsolicited popups.
Also, per my last tests, v2 seemed immune to obfuscation. Of course, nothing is foolproof though.
In that case, it is rather confused because it *blocks* the 'See a demo' button on the agnitum wesite...So I'm back to CookieCop to handle my add and cookie filtering once more.
Nonetheless, despite these problems - Outpost 2 is a great improvement on its predecessor and I'm pleased that the stability problems of version 1.0 have gone! (So pleased that I just bought a licence...:))
I understand, but how does one know when there are legitimate popups if they cannot be opened in the first place? When one clicks on a link (which could be a new window.open result), nothing happens. I checked on my own site.
Anyway, it is not important since I can use other progs to fix these to my liking.
Still I am disappointed this popup "glitch" and referrers did not get the attention in the present version of OP I hoped they might!
Ditto with PrivateEye's comment.
Originally posted by minoka
Hello Pokinpo.
Do you mean that v2 behaves like v1 as far as popups are concerned?
Frankly, I have not checked. But, I do not expect it to function differently with regards to 'Onclick' popups vs. 'non-click' popups.
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