Cast your votes for when the first 6"+ snow will occur in New York's Central Park.
With New Year's Day approaching, it's hard to believe that most of the Northeastern U.S. has not seen much, if any, snow so far this season. El Nino sure has caused a marked change in the weather patterns and it's not only wet precip. that we see, but also very warm. Here are a couple of select cities I just peekd at this morning.
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Albany, NY: Actual Snowfall: 0.2" Normal Snow: 16.1"
Binghamton, NY: Actual Snowfall: 4.2" Normal Snow: 23.4"
NYC Central Park Actual Snowfall: 0.0" Normal Snow: 2.2"
The average temperature so far for December 2006 (in Albany, NY) currently stands at 7.6 degrees ABOVE normal. Pretty amazing.
Finally, the long range models indicate yet another RAINstorm moving across the Northeast around New Year's Day at the same time of year when we should be getting close to our snowiest months of the season.
Ditto on Feb 19th, and for the same reason. "President's Weekend Snowstorm" has a nice ring to it!
As of this writing (2/25/07), NYC still has not seen it's first 6" snowfall. In fact, the snow total for the 2006-2007 season so far is only 4.6". This is quite an amazing stat since there have been record breaking snows as close as 90 miles away, including a 20" snowstorm here in Albany last week.
There is a storm system that is currently moving toward the tri-state area and this has 'some' potential to produce 6" snowfall but the models sure indicate more of a snow to freezing rain scenario to me. The NWS OKX is buying in to just about all snow and have several inches of accumulation. With modest vertical motion, a +00 warm layer at 850mb and a -1 to -2C temperature at the surface, there are tell tale signs that freezing rain will dominate and not snow. If my forecast pans out, it will be another icy mess for New Yorkers with quite a bit of freezing rain.
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I've been watching the same storm system take shape. The 00z and now 6z Monday model runs of the NAM and GFS unanimously give KNYC/KLGA around 1" of snow before the changeover to mostly rain. With both models forecasting this consistently as a result of the very mild Atlantic Air intrusion, I think it will be very hard to get anything more than an inch or two at best the way things look right now.
Ironically, the models usually have a cold bias for the NYC/LI and NE NJ area and the changeovers many times occur even faster than progged.
Also, it seems that the true arctic air has already been scoured out, finally!! So, a major ice storm or trend to a major sleet or freezing rain event seems minimal also. Just a good 'ole Broadway Gullywasher.
As far as Upstate New York and Western New England go, there will also be a changeover in many places. But both of these models are forecasting 10-11" of snow in Albany, NY before all is said and done. I am much more confident on a 6"+ snowfall in the Capital District of New York with very low confidence of even a snow advisory event in NYC.
I am seriously losing faith in an event like this happening at all. I would like to see a "not going to happen" category. This may be known as the year without winter if things stay the way they are. Boooo.
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I just checked the latest mid range models for the weekend of Jan/ 6-7, 2007 and the trend is certainly warmer. Looks like an all rainer event for this period. Even the storm advertisied for January 17ish has a warm rain look to it...rather than snow. We just might be looking at the end of this month for the 1st significant snow for the Northeast?
I usually like at least 1 big snowstorm before I am ready for the 80's to return. But this is ridiculous.
I'm picking February 19th, that's my birthday.
I say Feb. 7th
Looks like the coldest air of the season so far will be arriving in the CONUS mid January. This could makes things much more interesting for the northeast, eventually.
The long range models have been consistant with this the last several runs.
New York City is checking in with 1.8".
The latest runs continue to show a major push of bitterly cold air in the middle of the month, with lots of storminess on it's front side. This could yield a big storm somewhere in the eastern half of the lower 48.
Looks like March 17th is the date. As of 10pm Central Park recorded 5.5" of snow (more like sleet). It sleeted for several hours after that so I am assuming they went over 6", either way, 5.5" rounds to 6.
In coastal CT we stayed all sleet with temps in the 20's. There was a brief period of freezing drizzle. The NWS nailed the forecast, and the winter of sleet storms lives on. I think there is about 6" on the ground here right now.
Late season freak storm around March 6th due to a wicked cold front out of the northwest catching a slow moving warm front on the east coast.
What? You might as well gamble.
The 0.3" of snow that fell at Central Park this morning does not quite cut it. Hence, the contest continues. NYC still has a huige deficit of snowfall this season and they still have not seen there 1st 6" of snow.
We have the cold air in place, but now we need some darn phasing of the jetstreams to occur.
Its time to revive this thread....again. NYC is under a winter storm watch with a potential for 6"+ on Friday.
It was 70 degrees in Central Park on Wednesday, 60's today.
I am seriously losing faith in an event like this happening at all. I would like to see a "not going to happen" category. This may be known as the year without winter if things stay the way they are. Boooo.
Those are bound to happen from time to time. But don't forget, we are only a few days into winter, and one snowstorm will wipe out all memories of December's warmth.
I buy the all snow scenario, maybe some sleet, and I think OKX gives a good reasoning behind their forecast.
They really blew the forecast on Valentines Day, everyone was forecasting a changeover and it never happened.
Edit: Current forecast for NYC is 4"-9" under a heavy snow warning.
I was just looking at the data. NAM ensembles gives the coastal NYC area 4" of snow and 1.78" of sleet. GFS gives the area 6" of snow 1.17" of sleet. Waiting to look at the latest FOUS, but the 06z FOUS has a warm layer at T5 that will undoubtedly translate the ptype to sleet and/or freezing rain, just like last time.
Right now I am a believer in the ETA's scenario and expect a 2-4" snowfall with a siginificant amount of additional sleet and freezing rain after. The models have a tendancy to overplay the cold air in the NYC area and frequently overdo the snowfall. Thus I am expecting even less snow in the immediate coastal areas and NYC than the models are indicating. (Did anyone notice the 21" of snow that the GFS is forecasting for White Plains??) Places in upstate NY and interior New England will see all snow from this. I am expecting 8-14" of snow here in Albany and that is conservative. There is the potential for locations in the Taconics, Berkshires and Catskills to see 18-24" of snow from this storm.
PS: This thread could very well be revived right on through the end of 2007 if this keeps up. LOL.
First 6"+ storm could be on the way starting Tuesday evening. Still up in the air though as warm air is progged to overspread the coast and cut down on snow totals. I think its still possible for NYC to get 6" before the changeover.
If memory serves me right, NWS meteorologists in the northeast don't fully understand evaporative cooling either. The snow rarely starts on time, and it always gets colder before the first flakes hit the ground. Assuming arctic air is in place.
I was thinking the same thing. After a quick glance at the obs, it appears that no additional snow or sleet fell after 1am...just some freezing rain. Thus 5.5 (rounded to 6") is it.
Congratulations to Alexandre Aguiar (http://www.stormtrack.org/forum/member.php?u=1459), John Gnuechtel (http://www.stormtrack.org/forum/member.php?u=84) for being the closest guessers and winners of this contest. You win the purple banana.
Here in Albany we ended up with 14". Another large snowstorm just 2 days after we finally started to see the brown lawns!! Arghh.
GFS Model for January 13, 2007: 1000-500 thickness of 528-534 combined with over 1" of QPF might bring 6"+ of snow to Los Angeles before it snows in NYC.
Now THAT would be cool. The stars would go insane not knowing what to do.
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